Given the place Atlantis ended up in at the end of the ep, did someone (and by 'someone' I mean a character in the ep, not TPTB) mention/hint on if they will stay there - or in the "neighborhood", so to speak - or if they plan on going back?
Not really, when Ronon asks if they would go back, John says that atlantis will go nowhere for the foreseeable future, but he would make sure that Ronon would get home. Ronons reply is that he is home. So ... not really mentioning of going back to Pegasus.
. Somewhere else, Aly was concerned that IOA and SGC would keep them on Earth, now that Atlantis is here. But someone else pointed out that closed canon can now be fixed, and I left this comment --
Yes! IOA and SGC do try to keep Atlantis on Earth, but Obama is president now. So they take the question to the commander-in-chief, making the argument that Atlantis belongs in the Pegasus galaxy, and that keeping would be dooming allies to hardship and deprivation, and that the American nation shouldn't repeat the injustices that were perpetrated against the native peoples, the slaves, the Japanese citizens in WWII...
And Obama listens, compliments them on a job well done while facing extreme circumstances, tells them he's proud to have such people as these as citizens and allies. Then he offers them a few million to refurbish and restock Atlantis, and sends them back to Pegasus.
But Keller has realized that she's really not cut out for the Pegasus galaxy, and her experience has led to high-level offers from several prestigious hospitals, so she breaks it off with Rodney. John will be suitably sympathetic, and comfort him, and spend a lot of time to help lift his spirits, and one thing will lead to another. As soon as Obama repeals DADT (May 15th, 2010), they'll get married.
The End.
Oh, no, not really. 'To Be Continued' with many and varied adventures of John, Rodney, Teyla, Ronon, Carson2, Radek, Woolsey, and all the other denizens of Atlantis and Pegasus galaxy. .
Actually, after EATG aired prematurely I left a comment in Joe Mallozzi's blog regarding this issue:
I mean, Earth lost the weapons chair and Atlantis, as capable as it is in defending itself as a flying city, is not a warship. So, even if Earth would want to keep a military presence in Pegasus to fight the Wraith, to keep an eye on them, a fleet of Earth/Asgard hybrid ships or even re-build Ancient warships like the Tria (which should still exist somewhere because her crew landed on Atlantis and was killed there) would be suited better to do the job. Atlantis, as stated in "The Storm" is surprisingly fragile without it's shield. It's not designed for continuing battle 'cause it's designed as a living and apparently research place for people, though it is capable of defending itself. Just not the best "model" for a warship, I would guess.
So, what would be the most logical way for Earth to use Atlantis' resources? I would say cannibalize it's technology for Earth' defenses, "park" it somewhere close in the galaxy (it doesn't really need atmosphere as long as shielded), do research on it, reverse-engineer it's technology and fit out real battleships with it.
There wouldn't be a need to maintain a constant crew on Atlantis, just the crew needed for the research going on at a time. Earth could use the experience and the training of Atlantis' crew better elsewhere, split them up and take each of them were he or she could used best for Earth.
The really "logical" use of Atlantis and it's crew would not include keeping them together and letting them back to Pegasus. *g*
And since we already heard Sheppard calling Atlantis his home and saw how unhappy they were back on Earth (The Return), the only continuation that would make kind of sense would be, if Sheppard & Co would kidnap their own city and fly back to Pegasus to prevent Atlantis from being cannibalized and themselves from being split up and stuck on Earth. *G* Wouldn't that be awesome?
And if they would do so against Earth' declared will (pretty much like The Return on a bigger scale), it would also make for a suspenseful, thrilling story because - what happens afterwards? Isn't "conflict" supposed to be one of the foundations of a good story? ;-) And it would be a nice change from the usual kind of conflict: "Oh, baddies who try to harm us - lets fight them".
And, of course, Keller would prefer to stay on Earth with her Dad since staging this kind of "rebellion" would pretty much reduce her chances to visit dear old dad in the nearer future to nil. *G* Reason enough to decide *not* to go back to Pegasus. ;-)
Mallozzi's reaction? He edited the comment, which I expected and completely understand, and wrote something along the lines of "hope you saved that comment because it will make for interesting discussions in the month to come".
*Sigh*
I *do* think they'll bring the city back in space just because having it on Earth won't make for a very thrilling movie. And they want special effects which means, most likely, space battles. So I consider it likely that they will take off from Earth again, but I also think that it'll be by order of Earth, stationing them out there as a means of defense for Earth. I'd rather see Atlantis strive for independence, or at least a little more independence than they have "now".
And let's not forget the fact that the Pegasus-Galaxy still suffers from the Wraith who woke up in such numbers because Sheppard woke them up. Yes, I would actually like to see our heroes go down the road of "we *want* to be back in Pegasus" and make it happen.
Wouldn't hurt if they'd lose Keller somewhere in the process. ;-)
Eh, I have ideas, but the characters aren't speaking to me the way Jim and Blair do. If I do slide into writing SGA, that's too ambitious a story to start with.
So, what would be the most logical way for Earth to use Atlantis' resources?
You expect logic from government, and the military? (Particularly the American government and military?) Of course, technically the Atlantis expedition is [a] international and [b] non-military, so we could expect lots of arguments, giving the Atlantis team the opportunity to sneak away.
The really "logical" use of Atlantis and it's crew would not include keeping them together and letting them back to Pegasus. *g*
Yes, but since there'd be no story for us, let's ignore logic. (After all, TPTB have done so for five years.)
And since we already heard Sheppard calling Atlantis his home and saw how unhappy they were back on Earth
See, that's the thing -- Earth is no longer their 'home'; they've grown beyond its small confines. But more than that...
I read a meta yesterday (I was link-hopping, and can't find it again to show you, sorry) that pointed out that SGA's premier team is a group of misfits that has finally found a place where they fit. John had black marks against him, and would have continued to be only a glorified taxi driver except for having the ATA gene. Rodney's acerbic personality makes him disliked, and he knows it, accepts it -- maybe even revels in it, because it makes him stand out even more -- but that's a lonely way to live. Teyla, as a leader of her people and a negotiator with others has many friend, but is set at a little distance from them. Being able to sense the Wraith, while useful, also sets her apart. Ronon lost his entire people, and spent seven years alone, with only very rare and very minimal human contact.
But together, they form a gestalt that is bigger than they are, a group that knows, loves, and accepts each other despite their flaws -- and that's too precious to let go. They may not have realized it before The Return but, now that they know, they should fight to keep it. .
>>but the characters aren't speaking to me the way Jim and Blair do.
*g* I'm not surprised at that. Jim and Blair are so easy to slash, in comparision. It's practically impossible to *not* slash them. :-)
>>You expect logic from government, and the military?
*LOL* Okay, not really, no, but for the sake of a good argument ... ;-)
>>SGA's premier team is a group of misfits
I *think* I've read that meta too. Or something very similar and yes, that's pretty much correct. And a big part of their appeal IMO. :-) Those four *were* pretty lonely before they met each other through to circumstances and developed into the most similar thing to a family someone can have without actually being blood relatives.
>>But together, they form a gestalt that is bigger than they are,
The result is bigger than the sum of the parts, not sure about the correct wording in English but I think you understand what I'm trying to say. :-)
>>now that they know, they should fight to keep it.
. Sheppard & Co would kidnap their own city and fly back to Pegasus to prevent Atlantis from being cannibalized and themselves from being split up and stuck on Earth. Wouldn't that be awesome?
Yes it would, and that's the way it should happen (unless the IOC gives their permission to go back. Unlikely). I think any stories that build off EatG will have to have some kind of breakaway premise; Atlantis-on-Earth scenarios just feel flat and stagnant.
having it on Earth won't make for a very thrilling movie.
Ah, you're thinking movie! I confess, I don't much care; the most we'll get is one or two, and they're as likely to be as disappointing as the final season. I'm focusing on what the fanfic authors can do to 'fix' the bad, enhance the good, and weave it all together logically to make a good story. I have no fears; fanficcers are much better at that than TPTB.
And let's not forget the fact that the Pegasus-Galaxy still suffers from the Wraith who woke up in such numbers because Sheppard woke them up.
Yes, exactly. He didn't mean to do it, but that's beside the point. An honorable person tries to fix their mistakes. And, since Earthers with the ATA gene are the only people who can make the critical systems in Atlantis function, they need to be there to help in the fight.
Yes, I would actually like to see our heroes go down the road of "we *want* to be back in Pegasus" and make it happen.
Me, too. Since I'm looking to the fanfic instead of the movie, I think I won't be disappointed. You, on the other hand, may not be so lucky. I would hope Mallozzi pays attention to your very sensible suggestions... but I find it unlikely. That team has given us too many poor episodes, simply because they thought it would be 'fun' -- for them. Bah! We respect the characters they created more than they do. I find that, when it comes down to it, I enjoy shows despite what TPTB showed us (McKay/Keller), not because of it. Fanfic is my drug that dulls the 'reality' of canon and lifts me to a happier place -- and frequently one that's more logically cohesive.
*g* Basically, I've used 600+ words to say, "I agree with your comment." .
>>I think any stories that build off EatG will have to have some kind of breakaway premise; Atlantis-on-Earth scenarios just feel flat and stagnant. <<
Absolutely. "Flat and stagnant" - that's the wording I couldn't think of but expresses *exactly* how I feel about it. :-)
>>Ah, you're thinking movie!
Yeah, that's why I left the comment in his blog. He's the one writing the script.
>>I have no fears; fanficcers are much better at that than TPTB.
That's pretty much a given. *g* The fanfic authors out there don't need any advice, they know what to do and it's only a question of time until the fix-it-stories will make an appearance. I have absolute faith in the fanficcers. *g* It's the "professionals" who can't see what's in front of their nose and can't be trusted to recognize a good idea even if it's biting them in the backside. *ggg*
>>He didn't mean to do it, but that's beside the point.
In this contex: When they met Ronon the Atlantis expedition had been in Pegasus for roughly a year and Ronon was a runner for seven years at this point. Since he didn't know about the complete destruction of his homeworld at this point but was made a runner when he was caught while fighting this war, it means that the devastating end of the war against the Wraith on Sateda took place at least a short time after he was made a runner = max. six years before the Atlantis-expedition arrived. Which makes it perfectly clear that, even if it wasn't the whole species of the Wraith that was awake, it was a number big enough to bring complete destruction over the civilization of a whole planet.
Not exactly peaceful times, even before the expedition arrived. But, of course, that doesn't change the fact that Shep woke up the whole of the race unintentionally, leading to all those consequences and the responsibilities.
>>they need to be there to help in the fight.
Exactly what I think, yes.
>>Since I'm looking to the fanfic instead of the movie, I think I won't be disappointed. You, on the other hand, may not be so lucky.<<
*LOL* Oh, no, I don't actually *expect* Mallozzi & Co to be sensible enough to write that scenario. They're going to stuck to a "At the bottom line Earth is in command of Atlantis and they're going to fight Earth' enemies - possibly the Wraith but perhaps also a different one ust for the special effects"-route. No, I won't be disappointed because, frankly, I would be *surprised* if they'd go the route we would like to see. But it'll nice to have new pics, scenes and visuals to use. ;-)
The fanficcer OTOH - I have complete faith in them. *G* There will be enough "Back to Pegasus"-stories out there, given the time for it. I think if we're silent enough we can already hear the busy typing. ;-)
>>I enjoy shows despite what TPTB showed us (
Ah, *LOL*, yes, I can see that. It happens to me as well often enough. ;-) But sometimes we get actual gems, like "The Shrine". :-)
>>Basically, I've used 600+ words to say, "I agree with your comment."
*giggle* And how eloquently you did that. :-) Thanks for the long comment, I really enjoyed it.
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Date: 2009-01-10 03:53 pm (UTC)Somewhere else, Aly was concerned that IOA and SGC would keep them on Earth, now that Atlantis is here. But someone else pointed out that closed canon can now be fixed, and I left this comment --
Yes! IOA and SGC do try to keep Atlantis on Earth, but Obama is president now. So they take the question to the commander-in-chief, making the argument that Atlantis belongs in the Pegasus galaxy, and that keeping would be dooming allies to hardship and deprivation, and that the American nation shouldn't repeat the injustices that were perpetrated against the native peoples, the slaves, the Japanese citizens in WWII...
And Obama listens, compliments them on a job well done while facing extreme circumstances, tells them he's proud to have such people as these as citizens and allies. Then he offers them a few million to refurbish and restock Atlantis, and sends them back to Pegasus.
But Keller has realized that she's really not cut out for the Pegasus galaxy, and her experience has led to high-level offers from several prestigious hospitals, so she breaks it off with Rodney. John will be suitably sympathetic, and comfort him, and spend a lot of time to help lift his spirits, and one thing will lead to another. As soon as Obama repeals DADT (May 15th, 2010), they'll get married.
The End.
Oh, no, not really. 'To Be Continued' with many and varied adventures of John, Rodney, Teyla, Ronon, Carson2, Radek, Woolsey, and all the other denizens of Atlantis and Pegasus galaxy.
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Date: 2009-01-10 05:10 pm (UTC)Actually, after EATG aired prematurely I left a comment in Joe Mallozzi's blog regarding this issue:
I mean, Earth lost the weapons chair and Atlantis, as capable as it is in defending itself as a flying city, is not a warship. So, even if Earth would want to keep a military presence in Pegasus to fight the Wraith, to keep an eye on them, a fleet of Earth/Asgard hybrid ships or even re-build Ancient warships like the Tria (which should still exist somewhere because her crew landed on Atlantis and was killed there) would be suited better to do the job. Atlantis, as stated in "The Storm" is surprisingly fragile without it's shield. It's not designed for continuing battle 'cause it's designed as a living and apparently research place for people, though it is capable of defending itself. Just not the best "model" for a warship, I would guess.
So, what would be the most logical way for Earth to use Atlantis' resources? I would say cannibalize it's technology for Earth' defenses, "park" it somewhere close in the galaxy (it doesn't really need atmosphere as long as shielded), do research on it, reverse-engineer it's technology and fit out real battleships with it.
There wouldn't be a need to maintain a constant crew on Atlantis, just the crew needed for the research going on at a time. Earth could use the experience and the training of Atlantis' crew better elsewhere, split them up and take each of them were he or she could used best for Earth.
The really "logical" use of Atlantis and it's crew would not include keeping them together and letting them back to Pegasus. *g*
And since we already heard Sheppard calling Atlantis his home and saw how unhappy they were back on Earth (The Return), the only continuation that would make kind of sense would be, if Sheppard & Co would kidnap their own city and fly back to Pegasus to prevent Atlantis from being cannibalized and themselves from being split up and stuck on Earth. *G* Wouldn't that be awesome?
And if they would do so against Earth' declared will (pretty much like The Return on a bigger scale), it would also make for a suspenseful, thrilling story because - what happens afterwards? Isn't "conflict" supposed to be one of the foundations of a good story? ;-) And it would be a nice change from the usual kind of conflict: "Oh, baddies who try to harm us - lets fight them".
And, of course, Keller would prefer to stay on Earth with her Dad since staging this kind of "rebellion" would pretty much reduce her chances to visit dear old dad in the nearer future to nil. *G* Reason enough to decide *not* to go back to Pegasus. ;-)
Mallozzi's reaction? He edited the comment, which I expected and completely understand, and wrote something along the lines of "hope you saved that comment because it will make for interesting discussions in the month to come".
*Sigh*
I *do* think they'll bring the city back in space just because having it on Earth won't make for a very thrilling movie. And they want special effects which means, most likely, space battles. So I consider it likely that they will take off from Earth again, but I also think that it'll be by order of Earth, stationing them out there as a means of defense for Earth. I'd rather see Atlantis strive for independence, or at least a little more independence than they have "now".
And let's not forget the fact that the Pegasus-Galaxy still suffers from the Wraith who woke up in such numbers because Sheppard woke them up. Yes, I would actually like to see our heroes go down the road of "we *want* to be back in Pegasus" and make it happen.
Wouldn't hurt if they'd lose Keller somewhere in the process. ;-)
Too long, Pt 1
Date: 2009-01-11 04:19 pm (UTC)Perfect. *G* Sit down, start writing. ;-)
Eh, I have ideas, but the characters aren't speaking to me the way Jim and Blair do. If I do slide into writing SGA, that's too ambitious a story to start with.
So, what would be the most logical way for Earth to use Atlantis' resources?
You expect logic from government, and the military? (Particularly the American government and military?) Of course, technically the Atlantis expedition is [a] international and [b] non-military, so we could expect lots of arguments, giving the Atlantis team the opportunity to sneak away.
The really "logical" use of Atlantis and it's crew would not include keeping them together and letting them back to Pegasus. *g*
Yes, but since there'd be no story for us, let's ignore logic. (After all, TPTB have done so for five years.)
And since we already heard Sheppard calling Atlantis his home and saw how unhappy they were back on Earth
See, that's the thing -- Earth is no longer their 'home'; they've grown beyond its small confines. But more than that...
I read a meta yesterday (I was link-hopping, and can't find it again to show you, sorry) that pointed out that SGA's premier team is a group of misfits that has finally found a place where they fit. John had black marks against him, and would have continued to be only a glorified taxi driver except for having the ATA gene. Rodney's acerbic personality makes him disliked, and he knows it, accepts it -- maybe even revels in it, because it makes him stand out even more -- but that's a lonely way to live. Teyla, as a leader of her people and a negotiator with others has many friend, but is set at a little distance from them. Being able to sense the Wraith, while useful, also sets her apart. Ronon lost his entire people, and spent seven years alone, with only very rare and very minimal human contact.
But together, they form a gestalt that is bigger than they are, a group that knows, loves, and accepts each other despite their flaws -- and that's too precious to let go. They may not have realized it before The Return but, now that they know, they should fight to keep it.
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Re: Too long, Pt 1
Date: 2009-01-11 06:27 pm (UTC)*g* I'm not surprised at that. Jim and Blair are so easy to slash, in comparision. It's practically impossible to *not* slash them. :-)
>>You expect logic from government, and the military?
*LOL* Okay, not really, no, but for the sake of a good argument ... ;-)
>>SGA's premier team is a group of misfits
I *think* I've read that meta too. Or something very similar and yes, that's pretty much correct. And a big part of their appeal IMO. :-) Those four *were* pretty lonely before they met each other through to circumstances and developed into the most similar thing to a family someone can have without actually being blood relatives.
>>But together, they form a gestalt that is bigger than they are,
The result is bigger than the sum of the parts, not sure about the correct wording in English but I think you understand what I'm trying to say. :-)
>>now that they know, they should fight to keep it.
At all costs. :-)
Too long, Pt 2
Date: 2009-01-11 04:19 pm (UTC)Sheppard & Co would kidnap their own city and fly back to Pegasus to prevent Atlantis from being cannibalized and themselves from being split up and stuck on Earth. Wouldn't that be awesome?
Yes it would, and that's the way it should happen (unless the IOC gives their permission to go back. Unlikely). I think any stories that build off EatG will have to have some kind of breakaway premise; Atlantis-on-Earth scenarios just feel flat and stagnant.
having it on Earth won't make for a very thrilling movie.
Ah, you're thinking movie! I confess, I don't much care; the most we'll get is one or two, and they're as likely to be as disappointing as the final season. I'm focusing on what the fanfic authors can do to 'fix' the bad, enhance the good, and weave it all together
logicallyto make a good story. I have no fears; fanficcers are much better at that than TPTB.And let's not forget the fact that the Pegasus-Galaxy still suffers from the Wraith who woke up in such numbers because Sheppard woke them up.
Yes, exactly. He didn't mean to do it, but that's beside the point. An honorable person tries to fix their mistakes. And, since Earthers with the ATA gene are the only people who can make the critical systems in Atlantis function, they need to be there to help in the fight.
Yes, I would actually like to see our heroes go down the road of "we *want* to be back in Pegasus" and make it happen.
Me, too. Since I'm looking to the fanfic instead of the movie, I think I won't be disappointed. You, on the other hand, may not be so lucky. I would hope Mallozzi pays attention to your very sensible suggestions... but I find it unlikely. That team has given us too many poor episodes, simply because they thought it would be 'fun' -- for them. Bah! We respect the characters they created more than they do. I find that, when it comes down to it, I enjoy shows despite what TPTB showed us (McKay/Keller), not because of it. Fanfic is my drug that dulls the 'reality' of canon and lifts me to a happier place -- and frequently one that's more logically cohesive.
*g* Basically, I've used 600+ words to say, "I agree with your comment."
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Re: Too long, Pt 2
Date: 2009-01-11 07:08 pm (UTC)Absolutely. "Flat and stagnant" - that's the wording I couldn't think of but expresses *exactly* how I feel about it. :-)
>>Ah, you're thinking movie!
Yeah, that's why I left the comment in his blog. He's the one writing the script.
>>I have no fears; fanficcers are much better at that than TPTB.
That's pretty much a given. *g* The fanfic authors out there don't need any advice, they know what to do and it's only a question of time until the fix-it-stories will make an appearance. I have absolute faith in the fanficcers. *g* It's the "professionals" who can't see what's in front of their nose and can't be trusted to recognize a good idea even if it's biting them in the backside. *ggg*
>>He didn't mean to do it, but that's beside the point.
In this contex: When they met Ronon the Atlantis expedition had been in Pegasus for roughly a year and Ronon was a runner for seven years at this point. Since he didn't know about the complete destruction of his homeworld at this point but was made a runner when he was caught while fighting this war, it means that the devastating end of the war against the Wraith on Sateda took place at least a short time after he was made a runner = max. six years before the Atlantis-expedition arrived. Which makes it perfectly clear that, even if it wasn't the whole species of the Wraith that was awake, it was a number big enough to bring complete destruction over the civilization of a whole planet.
Not exactly peaceful times, even before the expedition arrived. But, of course, that doesn't change the fact that Shep woke up the whole of the race unintentionally, leading to all those consequences and the responsibilities.
>>they need to be there to help in the fight.
Exactly what I think, yes.
>>Since I'm looking to the fanfic instead of the movie, I think I won't be disappointed. You, on the other hand, may not be so lucky.<<
*LOL* Oh, no, I don't actually *expect* Mallozzi & Co to be sensible enough to write that scenario. They're going to stuck to a "At the bottom line Earth is in command of Atlantis and they're going to fight Earth' enemies - possibly the Wraith but perhaps also a different one ust for the special effects"-route. No, I won't be disappointed because, frankly, I would be *surprised* if they'd go the route we would like to see. But it'll nice to have new pics, scenes and visuals to use. ;-)
The fanficcer OTOH - I have complete faith in them. *G* There will be enough "Back to Pegasus"-stories out there, given the time for it. I think if we're silent enough we can already hear the busy typing. ;-)
>>I enjoy shows despite what TPTB showed us (
Ah, *LOL*, yes, I can see that. It happens to me as well often enough. ;-) But sometimes we get actual gems, like "The Shrine". :-)
>>Basically, I've used 600+ words to say, "I agree with your comment."
*giggle* And how eloquently you did that. :-) Thanks for the long comment, I really enjoyed it.