patk | SGA 510/511 - Did anybody else ...

... got the idea that the Atlantis-gate exploding would have been *the* opportunity to cut off Atlantis from earth even more and make their situation more suspenseful and dangerous again?

I mean, the Atlantis-gate has this unique crystal that makes it the only Pegasus-gate which can access earth's gate - and here it blew up. Now, putting another gate in its place would allow the Atlantis-people to gate around in Pegasus but, since it would lack this certain crystal, it wouldn't allow contact to earth, neither outgoing nor incoming, no gate-travels to or from earth, no messages via gate-contact - no instant help, not even the possibility to cry for help.

The Daedalus would remain the one and only possibility of contact to earth at all and we know that, once the ship has left, it will take at least 6 weeks until they're gonna see it again. At least - which means, if something unexpected happens that hinders or delays the regular runs, nobody on Atlantis would know about it, nobody would know if the ship will ever return.

And, of course, Atlantis would search and look for either a new crystal or for the information on how to build one to make their gate earth-accessible again. Possibilities! Possibilities!

*Sigh*

Too bad they didn't jump on that chance. Ah, hell, hope the one or other fanfic-author will do it. It's the perfect set up for Atlantis growing independent and secede from earth slowly in S5.

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simboo

Yeah, someone pointed that out to Mallozzi in his blog and he said the crystal was somewhere save. They keep it in a safe and only get it when they need to dial Earth? As if. *snort*

Also the writers would have to come up with ideas on how Atlantis gets by. You know, not running out of food and ammo and stuff like that. They couldn't keep relying on the Daedalus alone. I don't think the writers want to deal with stuff like that. Maybe also because it has been done already.

Hey, they could end the show like they started it. Atlantis with no contact to Earth. But this time the people on Atlantis are not really that unhappy about it. ;)

That said, I love seceding stories!! :)

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>>Also the writers would have to come up with ideas on how Atlantis gets by.

Yes! And imagine what bunch of possible stories that would have opened up. I would have loved to see the guys and gals struggle with the need to stock up supplies from sources in Pegasus, see some of the scarcity showing in their looks. You know, mismatching uniform parts, patched up clothes, local fabric starting to make an appearance in their clothing etc. etc. Trying to make their own ammo, trying to make the ammo they have last, getting used to local food. The original people of the first wave of crew having reminiscences of their first year in Pegasus when the were cut of *completely* without even the more or less regular Daedalus-runs.

That is *exactly* what I would have loved to see: Atlantis cut off from earth and the consequences of that.

>>I don't think the writers want to deal with stuff like that.

In this case it would be hard to get around that with SGU. They'll be cut off from earth with no way to go back, not even for people they lost on their way on any planet. So that seems *exactly* to be what the writers *want* to deal with, if what we know from SGU so far is any indication.

>>Maybe also because it has been done already.

Ha! As if. Never properly IMHO. Yes, Atlantis was cut off from earth for the first year but since they knew they would probably not be able to go back, they would have packed a lot of stuff and come prepared. We didn't *really* see them massively suffer lack of anything and being really forced to live from what Pegasus provides. Okay, there was the one or other ep that dealt with trying to trade for food but I never had the impression they were really *desperately* short of something and had to deal with that.

>>Hey, they could end the show like they started it. Atlantis with no contact to Earth. But this time the people on Atlantis are not really that unhappy about it. ;)<<

This is actually what I would love to see for the end of the series. Atlantis becoming independent and the people there starting to view Pegasus as their home. But it won't happen. I don't think TPTB have the guts to do that, too bad.

Actually, what I would love to see as an end for the series is pretty much Cesperanza's "Victors" on screen. Okay, a slightly adapted version of it since Elizabeth isn't there anymore.

Anyway, even if they wouldn't have gone with the whole independence-thing, I think they missed a great opportunity to open up a whole bunch of interesting storylines by having the earth-dialing-crystal not destroyed.

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simboo

Yes, yes, yes, I'd love to see all of that too. Imagine Rodney trying to milk a cow-like creature, or Ronon knitting some socks (hey, I read that somewhere recently), and John with high-water-pants. LOL Though I think John would somehow manage to find fitting clothes. :D And we'de get to see more people because they'd need to show them doing all this stuff. Can't be just the Team.

Ah yes, SGU will be the Voyager. Forgot about that. Maybe they will have some high tech solution for this. Like the replicator. Wasn't there something similar in the very last SG-1 episode?

Properly? Since when do the writers care about that. :P Though they seem to be fond of recycling stories. ;)

Ohhh, yes! "Victors" was amazing! I haven't read anything about the last episode except for the title and that does not sound promising.

Maybe they weren't even thinking about the special crystal when they wrote the part about the Gate blowing up. Because things blowing up is what we want to see, you know. ;)

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>>I read that somewhere recently

Oh, no, young lady! You're not going to get out of that so easily. *Where* did you read that? 'Cause that sounds ... *snicker* ;-) Come on, you can't tell me something like that and then not provide the title. *g*

>>Though I think John would somehow manage to find fitting clothes.

Hee, or sewing stripes of mismatching fabric to the end of the pants-legs to make them longer.

If SGU is going to have a Star Trek-like replicator ("earl grey with sugar and milk, please") I'll laugh my ass of. It's already called SG: Voyager. Don't know about the last SG-1 ep since I didn't follow that show.

>>Properly? Since when do the writers care about that. :P

You have undoubtedly a point here. *G*

>>Maybe they weren't even thinking about the special crystal when they wrote the part about the Gate blowing up. <<

You know, that's pretty much what I think did *really* happen. I would consider it entirely possible that it didn't occur to them until JoeM received a question about that crystal in his LJ-comments and then it was probably: *whaa* *headdesk* "we didn't even *think* about that".

'Cause, you know, his answer (the crystal being a sturdy little thing or something like that) is so lame as an explanation, it practically screams "we forgot about that". ;-)

>>Because things blowing up is what we want to see, you know. <<

Ack, I've completely forgotten about this preference of ours. ;-)

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simboo

Hee! I haven't been called young lady in ages. :D Okay, *tries to remember* it was recc'd in someones LJ, it was comment fic, it was one of those 5 things thingies... aha! Found it in my browser's history. Happy reading. :) And since you know about my swiss-cheese-brain I hope you appreciate all the hard work I just went through. :P

But with mismatching fabric making his pants longer John would just look silly. I think he would magically find fitting clothes. And he'd be the only one. Maybe Atlantis is helping him with that. It's all very mysterious and has everyone baffled. Just like that thing with his hair where no one can explain how it's standing up like it's alive or something.

No, no, "Tea, Earl Grey, hot". :P In the last SG-1 episode the team on the Odyssey is stuck in some kind of time bubble and grow old together. Sam uses Asgard technology to manufacture food and everything else they need. Maybe they will have a similar technology on SGU. I'm sure the writers will think of something. *snerk*

See, that's how I imagined it happening in the writers' room. With the headdesking and all. :D

Good thing I'm here to remind you about things like that. hehe

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>>And since you know about my swiss-cheese-brain I hope you appreciate all the hard work I just went through. :P<<

Of course. *G* Glad you managed to find the link despite all the holes in your bra... *uh* cheese. *G* ;-)

>>But with mismatching fabric making his pants longer John would just look silly.

Exactly. *g* Like we practically all did back in the seventies when broad strips of ridiculously floral patterned fabric were used to make the jeans look longer since it was hip to have the seams of the pant legs draggle in the dust. Aside from that, John would just tuck his too short pants into his boots and nobody would notice. ;-)

>>Maybe Atlantis is helping him with that.

Super secret sewing studio in the once flooded basement? ;-)

>>"Tea, Earl Grey, hot". :P

Yes, that's what I meant. Thanks for going all Cpt. Picard on me. *G*

>>Good thing I'm here to remind you about things like that. hehe

Wouldn't know what to do without your assistance. ;-)

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simboo

Seventies... floral patterned fabric... nooooo! Don't put images like that in my head! I don't want to see John in some kind of flower power outfit. Ugh! Though Rodney would laugh his ass of at that. hehe

Oh and the "young lady" comment from earlier seems to be fitting after all. What with me being born in the late seventies and having no recollection of floral patterned fabric unless it was a pretty dress or a table cloth. :P

Nope, no sewing studio. Though if they wanted one I am sure they'd find a way. I was thinking more along the lines of items of clothing suddenly appearing in John's quarters. And if some poor marine is missing a pair of pants after washing them (assuming they have washing machines... they are known to "eat" socks, after all) or someone from botany can't find his last black t-shirt he swears he put in a drawer for safekeeping... no one is connecting these "incidents" to Sheppard being unusually well dressed in times like these. ;)

Hey, TNG was my first sci-fi show. I started watching when they first aired it on ZDF. Had to get my parents to like it so I could watch. Got them hooked on sci-fi. :D

I say. :P

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>>What with me being born in the late seventies and having no recollection of floral patterned fabric<<

See, one traumatic experience less. ;-)

>>(assuming they have washing machines... they are known to "eat" socks, after all)

God, in this case I can only hope the magical-clothes-stealing Atlantis washing machine can see the difference between say, Teldy's clothes and Johns. Or he might end up with something black and elastic for the upper body for which he isn't equipped to fill it out. ;-)